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Mathieu Le Breton
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You, today's Petals ESB users are heroes to me. (or ESB masters)
You went on the ESB path on your own.
Your only guides were Ancient tutorials from Ancestors.
You were lucky and courageous, coming to the community forum.
You followed community voices to guide you on the quest for ESB evaluation.
Those who survived are heroes, and live a peaceful and happy Petals ESB life, now.


Is it just imagination ?
Do you think a starting guide would be useful for Petals ESB ?

And mostly :
How would this starting guide be useful ?
What will it talk about ? Design and run a BPEL process, Put an EJB online as a WSDL, Use a Talend job in Petals, Try SOA Governance, Do an XSLT Transformation... ?
How long would the tutorial last ? Two hours, one week... ?

If the tutorial subject looks like a real one, I will do all my best to assemble one unique "Petals Starting guide", updated for Petals 3.

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Re: You, heroes, can help me create the Petals 3 Starting Guide

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Hi Mathieu,

In my mind, we should create a tutorial section in the PEtALS documentation that will contain tutorials on different subject as:
  • Using Petals which explains how to configure/start/stop a simple PEtALS instance, how to deploy shared-libraries, components and services using available mechanism (autoloader, JMX, webservice and petals-jmx client API, ...),
  • A tutorial for each component explaining how to configure and use it,
  • Distributed topology to explain the high availability with PEtALS,
  • Component development or how to create a new component

Don't mixte tutorial and started guide. Their audiences are different. A started guide is closer to the reference guide than the tutorial. A started guide could describe architecture, some JBI concepts, commands, ... As the tutorial is focused only on the example. For example, a tutorial says to execute a specific command to start PEtALS without explaining its options. A started guide will explain few options. The reference guide will explain all options.




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Re: You, heroes, can help me create the Petals 3 Starting Guide

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Hi; 

For the distributed topology, we have a documentation : http://doc.petalslink.com/display/petalsesb/Topology+Configuration
[/url]For the development guide, Vincent has wrote a documentation that need to be imported in the wiki (I haven't finished that yet)
For the quickstart, Patrice has created a VM that need some updates to use the latests evolutions of Petals ESB, Master, View, and so on. This VM should be documented before we release it to the general public :-)

2010/5/7 cdeneux christophe.deneux@...
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Hi Mathieu,

In my mind, we should create a tutorial section in the PEtALS documentation that will contain tutorials on different subject as:
  • Using Petals which explains how to configure/start/stop a simple PEtALS instance, how to deploy shared-libraries, components and services using available mechanism (autoloader, JMX, webservice and petals-jmx client API, ...),
  • A tutorial for each component explaining how to configure and use it,
  • Distributed topology to explain the high availability with PEtALS,
  • Component development or how to create a new component

Don't mixte tutorial and started guide. Their audiences are different. A started guide is closer to the reference guide than the tutorial. A started guide could describe architecture, some JBI concepts, commands, ... As the tutorial is focused only on the example. For example, a tutorial says to execute a specific command to start PEtALS without explaining its options. A started guide will explain few options. The reference guide will explain all options.



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Re: You, heroes, can help me create the Petals 3 Starting Guide

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Might the force be with you, to achieve the documentation quest.

Maybe we must have a reference documentation first.
Then a start up guide.
Then tutorials, illustrated on the VM.
Then use cases around the Petals Suite (Petals master/view/ESB...) illustrated too on the VM.

The only problem is...to have time to do it. Twisted Evil




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Re: You, heroes, can help me create the Petals 3 Starting Guide

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Yes, tutorials based on VM. So you will prevent installation problems and tutorials will be focused on usability. But which kind of VM type will you choose: VirtualBox, Xen, VmWare, ... ?




2010/5/7 rnaudin [hidden email])>
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Might the force be with you, to achieve the documentation quest.

Maybe we must have a reference documentation first.
Then a start up guide.
Then tutorials, illustrated on the VM.
Then use cases around the Petals Suite (Petals master/view/ESB...) illustrated too on the VM.

The only problem is...to have time to do it. [img][/img]







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Re: You, heroes, can help me create the Petals 3 Starting Guide

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Hi les Petaleux,

IMO we already have content to cover most of these topics. The main tasks will be to compile and to update all this information to provide tutorials. These tutorials MUST address both beginners and intermediate users (let's say that we are the advanced users... Wink ).
It is impossible to cover all the features of all modules directly. What I suggested some time ago is to also create a knowledge base 'a la WSO2.org' where developers and users are sharing tips by writing articles (my blog is not enough http://chamerling.wordpress.com (oui je sais je me fais de la pub).




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Re: You, heroes, can help me create the Petals 3 Starting Guide

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Thanks for your answers.

Yes, a reference documentation first is ideal.
Problem is : that's a HUGE work. I can't help with it.
Would it be possible to resolve one problem at a time ?

My problem is to keep the new users :
Petals ESB works fairly well once you know how to use it.
But lots of people come, download it, try it, then go away.
(Only 5% come on the forum)

Experience says : almost every new Petals user comes for an ESB evaluation.
Why does he go away ? I think he just can't get it run.

So we need to help him start with Petals, for his evaluation.
Do you think a few tutorials, demonstrating the most evaluated features, would help him ?

This, at least, would be easier to create than a full documentation, and could be online in a month.

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Mathieu Le Breton
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The question would be : If we had to write three Petals tutorials, what would they be ?

Here are Christophe's propositions. What is the most important in there ?
(That is a question for users, I can't invent it !)
  • Using Petals which explains how to configure/start/stop a simple PEtALS instance, how to deploy shared-libraries, components and services using available mechanism (autoloader, JMX, webservice and petals-jmx client API, ...),
  • A tutorial for each component explaining how to configure and use it,
  • Distributed topology to explain the high availability with PEtALS,
  • Component development or how to create a new component


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My priorities:
   1/ simple usage of petals (the first point below but using only the autoloader)
   2/ a tutorial about BC SOAP (in provide et consume modes)
   3/ a turorial about SE Talend to realize a simple orchestration using the previous tutorial


Christophe

2010/5/7 Mathieu [hidden email])>
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The question would be : If we had to write three Petals tutorials, what would they be ?

Here are Christophe's propositions. What is the most important in there ?
(That is a question for users, I can't invent it !)
  • Using Petals which explains how to configure/start/stop a simple PEtALS instance, how to deploy shared-libraries, components and services using available mechanism (autoloader, JMX, webservice and petals-jmx client API, ...),
  • A tutorial for each component explaining how to configure and use it,
  • Distributed topology to explain the high availability with PEtALS,
  • Component development or how to create a new component



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In step 3, you fixed it yourself, I meant SE BPEL instead of SE Talend !




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Thanks a lot for those feedback by email !

*** Duffqiu ***
BPEL
WebService/REST
--- introduced in Studio step by step


*** Tilto ****
POJO
SCA
examples of service calls and import in the ESB
documents about ESB scalability, redundancy.

*** Softoun ***
XSLT
FTP
SQL

*** Speajus ***
"getting started with petals in 10 (minutes|hours|days)" guide : What the petals workflow is, how do you deploy, test, debug.
I know there are probably a lot of different scenarios for this, but having one laid out makes it easier to see what petals can do.




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SebWol :

> "how to use Petals in high-availability environment"
>
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> Khaled Ben Driss :
> POJO
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As for my company, we could use a good tutorial about POJO.

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IMO, a tutorial about POJO is not a great idea because it will encourage to use this component, and I think this component is not in the JBI spirit where an SUs should contains only processing parameters and not engine.

Christophe

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I think POJO is very usefull because you can handle intermediate operations like generating a dynamic text with using XPath or Web Service. Isn't it?




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Can JSR181 be enough for this kind of work?




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A better solution would be create a component (SE) generating dynamic text from XPath, to create a SU, and orchestrate it with the SE BPEL..

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